Windows XP SP3

[mikeyb]

Anyone tried this out early??
Just curious since those that'd like to try it early can, and was wondering if any here had.

[wilks]

i have had if for about a week now with no problems so far. my PC boots faster....lol

[wilks]

2/14/2008 6:15:24 PM info F8 key click: Open temporary log file
2/14/2008 6:15:09 PM info Destination: [E] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-H42N RL01 (Ide) - Ultra DMA mode 4 (ATA66)
2/14/2008 6:15:09 PM info Source: [F] LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1653S CS0T (Ide) - Ultra DMA mode 4 (ATA66)
2/14/2008 6:15:09 PM info COPYTODVD: 4.0.4.60
2/14/2008 6:15:09 PM info DVD2DVD: 5.6.2.9 VSO_HWE: 2.1.3.324 BOUDUCON: 2.0.0.145
2/14/2008 6:15:09 PM info CPRx error correction enabled : TRUE
2/14/2008 6:15:09 PM info [F] LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1653S CS0T (Ide)
2/14/2008 6:15:09 PM info [E] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-H42N RL01 (Ide)
2/14/2008 6:15:09 PM info Loading reader listbox
2/14/2008 6:15:09 PM info [F] LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1653S CS0T (Ide)
2/14/2008 6:15:09 PM info [E] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-H42N RL01 (Ide)
2/14/2008 6:15:09 PM info Loading writer listbox
2/14/2008 6:15:08 PM info Update Notification enabled : FALSE
2/14/2008 6:15:08 PM info AutoPlay setting: Enabled
2/14/2008 6:15:07 PM info User default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
2/14/2008 6:15:07 PM info System default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
2/14/2008 6:15:07 PM info Version 3.1.2.8
2/14/2008 6:15:07 PM info ExeName : "C:\Program Files\LG Software Innovations\1Click DVD Copy Pro\1ClickDvdCopyPro.exe"
2/14/2008 6:15:07 PM info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Personal Service Pack 3, v.3264 (Build 2600)
2/14/2008 6:15:06 PM info ******************** Report session started ********************

[mikeyb]

Sounds promising ;) ... I think I'm gonna download it... :)

[wilks]

and out of all the people i thought you would be all over it already....lol

[coodbe]

Does anyone have a link. I assume its a beta.

[mikeyb]

and out of all the people i thought you would be all over it already....lol


LMAO... I wish... I just recently just heard of it... I'm faltering A Bit since I've gotten my new toy...LOL... My Q. :p ;)

[wilks]

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=75ed934c-8423-4386-ad98-36b124a720aa&DisplayLang=en

[wilks]

here is the white paper download

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=68C48DAD-BC34-40BE-8D85-6BB4F56F5110&displaylang=en

[mikeyb]

Yep, that's where I just downloaded it from... 336 MBs, a big file for sure.
I'm cloning my harddrive, and then will probably wil load it later tonite or tommorrow morn. :)

[coodbe]

Thank you for the link. Will it be introduced soon on the regular monthly updates by Microsoft. It seems like it contains all of the patches that have been introduced in SP2. I had just downloaded the latest on Tuesday, February 12.

[mikeyb]

You can read the overview from the white paper link wilks provided for more details.

[coodbe]

Yes, I think I will wait for the official release. I could download it because I have everything backed up on an external drive. I have been happy with a back up program called BounceBack. It compares everything new on the hard drive of the computer since the last back up and only adds those files. It does it in about thirty minutes. I back up at least once a month. But I don't have much spare time these days to chance a reformat.

I will keep an eye out for how well you guys do with it. Thanks again.

[mikeyb]

Yes, I think I will wait for the official release. I could download it because I have everything backed up on an external drive. I have been happy with a back up program called BounceBack. It compares everything new on the hard drive of the computer since the last back up and only adds those files. It does it in about thirty minutes. I back up at least once a month. But I don't have much spare time these days to chance a reformat.

I will keep an eye out for how well you guys do with it. Thanks again.

Yeah, the official release would probably be the safest bet, but with a harddrive back-up there is really no risk.
I personally like a cloned harddrive, can be done in virtually the same amount of time and it's so great to just unplug one harddrive and plug in the other, and the system boots up just as if that has been the harddrive all along. Love this method, feel very confident no matter what may happen to my connected HDD... ;)

[GaPony]

From reading the White Paper, it doesn't look like there will be much, if any, real difference for users who have kept up with the updates along the way...

[mikeyb]

From reading the White Paper, it doesn't look like there will be much, if any, real difference for users who have kept up with the updates along the way...
Not much from what I gather as well. Certainly not like when XP went from SP1 to SP2.

Just a couple nidbits... :)

[stevemularkey]

what is the this pdf or xps what one do I use

[mikeyb]

what is the this pdf or xps what one do I use

Those are just the overview facts sheets... the SP3 is the first link Wilks posted. :)

just use the pdf to read thru Adobe.

[Alan1512]

Yeah, the official release would probably be the safest bet, but with a harddrive back-up there is really no risk.
I personally like a cloned harddrive, can be done in virtually the same amount of time and it's so great to just unplug one harddrive and plug in the other, and the system boots up just as if that has been the harddrive all along. Love this method, feel very confident no matter what may happen to my connected HDD... ;)

Just installed SP3, I like to be in on things:D . I made a HDD image with Acronis first, just to be on the safe side. If anything goes wrong all I have to do is install the image and I am up and running again.
I always keep the PC updated so I don't think I will see a big difference in the machines behaviour, time will tell.

[GaPony]

All I did was set a restore point and backed up my registry, but everything went smoothly...albeit slowly with all the files that needed to be installed/updated.

[mikeyb]

It sets a restore point for you, but always a good idea anyways... I just like to take it to that 'Murphy's Law'-proof extra step... lol :D ;)

[GaPony]

Yea... but you don't know that until you're already in the middle of the installation.. It can never hurt to do one beforehand..

[mikeyb]

Yea... but you don't know that until you're already in the middle of the installation.. It can never hurt to do one beforehand..

It didn't matter for me either way since I cloned my HDD, same for Alan since he imaged his drive... so the system restore was just fluff for us...lol :p
Like I said, I just like that Murphy's Law-proofing of cloning my HDD.

[wilks]

i didn't do crap just installed it...lol

i think it did create a restore point though

[mikeyb]

I remembered that loading Windows Media Player 10 instantly made all songs DRMed, and then WMP11 was even more intrusive... in both those cases, they made it virtually impossible to regain the WMP9 status, even with the system restore. There were some system files that were changed permanently and never could be restored... or am I remembering incorrectly???? :confused: I forget.:p

[GaPony]

I didn't run into that, at all... or maybe I misunderstand what you mean by DRM'ed... I know one thing for certain... I'd never want to go back to WMP9 after using WMP11.. Besides... DRM was part of WMP9 too...

[mikeyb]

I didn't run into that, at all... or maybe I misunderstand what you mean by DRM'ed... I know one thing for certain... I'd never want to go back to WMP9 after using WMP11.. Besides... DRM was part of WMP9 too...

Well it's been awhile since I tinkered with the old system that had the WMP9 initially, but what I think I remember was being able to search for songs thru the 'Guide' portion of the player, and it would list several sites that you could actually listen to certain songs you searched for. In WMP9 (I'm sure that was the last WMP that I could do it with, could be WMP8 I'm thinking of) I could add that song to my playlist, and then actually load them onto my burn to CD list.
But I remeber that I upgraded to WMP10 and found that I could no longer add these songs to my library and most certainly couldn't try to burn them to CD, so I reverted to WMP9, and the DRM was still intact no matter what I tried, including system restore.

[stevemularkey]

I downloaded it no problems here yet:)

[GaPony]

Well it's been awhile since I tinkered with the old system that had the WMP9 initially, but what I think I remember was being able to search for songs thru the 'Guide' portion of the player, and it would list several sites that you could actually listen to certain songs you searched for. In WMP9 (I'm sure that was the last WMP that I could do it with, could be WMP8 I'm thinking of) I could add that song to my playlist, and then actually load them onto my burn to CD list.
But I remeber that I upgraded to WMP10 and found that I could no longer add these songs to my library and most certainly couldn't try to burn them to CD, so I reverted to WMP9, and the DRM was still intact no matter what I tried, including system restore.

Maybe it wasn't fully implemented in WMP9 but supported. When you reverted back, it picked up on the WMP10 settings and kept the license information... Was this just for downloaded stuff or music ripped from CDs too? Maybe it will finally pay off to have all those old, really old songs on my PC... :D

[mikeyb]

What I remember is that when I searched for certain songs, say like Ozzy Osbourne or Jewell, didn't matter..LOL... It would show a list of the different sites like AOL music etc, that hosted the song... but the difference before was that WMP itself would play the song and it would sit on your now playing list, which you then could actually add to your library. And then actually burn those songs to CD. Like I said, I forget which WMP it was but I remember the last song I got that way on that old PC until I upgraded the WMP... Boulevard of Broken Dreams. I still had that song on my library and already had burned it to CD, but when I upgraded, that song no longer could be played due to DRM.
And yes, about the new version of WMP locking the DRM into all versions of WMP even if you went back to the older versions.


BTW, SP3 seems to be very stable.... so far, so smooth...

[GaPony]

I agree. SP3 seems stable... but then again there isn't much new. It will be great for reinstalling Windows XP from an original with only SP1 included. No more hours and hours getting all the updates.. :)

[vinman]

been running sp-3 now for over a month no problems working great!

[edpam]

Loaded it late this morning, seems to be o.k......no problems:)

[vinman]

for those who are interested heres a link!
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsxp/0a5b9b10-17e3-40d9-8d3c-0077c953a761.aspx

[mikeyb]

Well, I have noticed the first bug with SP3 today. I did a disk cleanup and for some reason IE7 looked like IE6 afterwards, Internet Options in Control Panel most definitely looked like IE6 again. Not sure if any of you have done a disk cleanup and lost the necessary files for IE7.
SP3 is history as far as I'm concerned, nothing should be that dumb so as to not recognize their own system files!!... No worries though since SP2 works flawlessly. SP3 will never see the light of day on my system again....LMAO
Sometimes Microsoft just creates new sh*t just because... how sad. :rolleyes:

[GaPony]

The fact that the SP3 beta doesn't contain the IE7 files was in the white paper that you were supposed to read. :D

It seems easier to me to just reinstall IE7..

[mikeyb]

The fact that the SP3 beta doesn't contain the IE7 files was in the white paper that you were supposed to read. :D

It seems easier to me to just reinstall IE7..

Not having IE7 included into SP3 is basic considering that it's an optional upgrade, but since I 'did' have it installed and running smoothly, before 'and' after installing SP3, you'd think that they would've guarded against a glitch that would cause any possible system configuration to revert back to IE6!... .
Just another reminder, on top of the Vista 'non-eventful' upgrade, that Microsoft doesn't always get it right. I was A Bit skeptical before installing SP3, and then slightly puzzled by SP3's non-eventful changes right when I installed, but ultimately disappointed they couldn't guard against such a basic flaw. :rolleyes: :p :cool:

[alan1476]

SP3 was created to mess up your system so you will update to Vista.;)

[GaPony]

SP3 was created to mess up your system so you will update to Vista.;)

It was probably created just to save bandwith on Microsoft's servers.. Its alot faster to transfer one big file than all those little ones, all day long...everyday.

[GaPony]

Not having IE7 included into SP3 is basic considering that it's an optional upgrade, but since I 'did' have it installed and running smoothly, before 'and' after installing SP3, you'd think that they would've guarded against a glitch that would cause any possible system configuration to revert back to IE6!... .
Just another reminder, on top of the Vista 'non-eventful' upgrade, that Microsoft doesn't always get it right. I was A Bit skeptical before installing SP3, and then slightly puzzled by SP3's non-eventful changes right when I installed, but ultimately disappointed they couldn't guard against such a basic flaw. :rolleyes: :p :cool:

After reading your post... I decided to download IE7 for reinstalling after doing my routine maintenance, much like you apparently did, but IE7 was still intact and working just like its supposed to..

This leads me to believe that the glitch was on your end... where? I wouldn't have a clue, but if it was an SP3 issue, it should have effected all of us. I can't believe none of the others in this thread have reported an issue with IE7... I couldn't imagine anyone still using IE6...

What do you think? Maybe Microsoft ain't so dumb afterall... :D

[vinman]

IE7 working ok here from the day I installed it and have done plenty of cleanups since then, but I did read somthing on it so your not alone and some systems did require a reinstall.

[mikeyb]

Glitch on my part??, or could it be that my system picks up every flaw that others just sweep under the rug??...LOL:p

This goes back to when AdAware 2007 first was launched, and many here and at a couple other forums, all were swearing that it was stable and the end-all of upgrades!... However my system immediately detected that AdAware 2007 was unstable and potentially flawed altogether... and what do you know!!... Lavasoft started getting flooded with a barrage of numerous people that were getting error after error, so much so that they re-wrote the entire install pack. So who had the glitch??..LMAO :cool: ;)

Then again with AnyDVD and their new code as well, my system immediately detected tha AnyDVD was doing a couple strange things including trying to ride IE7 outbound without my say so... And what do you know, Slysoft released an update a couple of days after I first detected that it was trying to do a bit more than it claimed..... My glitch again?? :p

And now with IE7 and SP3, my system lacking??.. or my system immediately exposing a potential flaw that may appear for others down the line??...Who knows, but I know that my system survived all these so-called glitches and runs at a pretty high clip...
So ultimately I have no need for SP3 and it's potential glitches. IE7 is working perfectly back with SP2, as well as AdAware 2007, and AnyDVD no longer tries to ride IE7 outbound..... I'm all toasty inside...LOL :) ;) :D

[KDH]

I have to agree with MikeyB here, I found a couple of issues with SP3, not least of which it actually slowed down my boot time, not speed it up as all the reviews claim. At this time I also see no need of SP3 on top of the updates I already have installed past SP2. I have reverted to my cloned drive as well.
(Great minds think alike LOL :) :D :cool: )

[coodbe]

I have to agree with MikeyB here, I found a couple of issues with SP3, not least of which it actually slowed down my boot time, not speed it up as all the reviews claim. At this time I also see no need of SP3 on top of the updates I already have installed past SP2. I have reverted to my cloned drive as well.
(Great minds think alike LOL :) :D :cool: )

What software do you use to make a cloned drive?

[Alan1512]

What software do you use to make a cloned drive?

I use Acronis True Image, It's easy to use and reliable.:)

[mikeyb]

(Great minds think alike LOL :) :D :cool: )

I agree with you KDH... we do have great minds...LOL:p ...:sunglasse


What software do you use to make a cloned drive?

I use Acronis True Image, It's easy to use and reliable.:)

Acronis here as well... :) ;) :cool:

[KDH]

Yes i think Acronis is probably the best option, I still use Ghost but thats because I started with that many moons ago, but it is fair to say that I use ver 8 not the latest for cloning. After doing a little research on the subject for future update for myself, I'm inclined to switch to Acronis, it has good reps.

[GaPony]

Ok guys... Deluded minds also tend to think alike, so couldn't that be the case? :D:D:D

Mikeyb... I always kew your problem was that you were too sensative... you've just passed that trait to your PC.. :p

In all seriousness, I think you have to take an objective view to SP3. Afterall, it was a pre-release version that you installed... and you both have enough experience to know that bugs were not only possible, but probable. You were both also smart enough to prepare for the possibility of such problems...which maybe pre-ordained you having problems, if you take a cynical view. :)

The people who just downloaded and installed it without any backup, seem to experience no problems. Perhaps ignorance is bliss afterall! :D


As far as cloning a drive, I have always had great success just using Western Digital's Data Lifeguard Tools. Of course, I only use WD drives, and I'm pretty sure its a licensed product from some third party... but its free.

[Alan1512]

So far I've had no problems with SP3, but on the other hand I can see no difference at all in the way my PC works.
I've not had the problem with IE7 that Mikeyb reports, I did have a problem with IE7 after last months Microsoft update though.
Every session on the internet was interrupted with IE7 reporting it had a problem and needed to close. :eek: :(
It has not happened for a while now, so I guess they have resolved the issue.

[mikeyb]

I think that you gotta remember what it is exactly that I said Ga....
Basically I was saying that shouldn't a 'Microsoft' service pack be able to be smart enough to know that IE7 is installed on any system configuration without it somehow reverting back to IE6??
All I know is that I had IE7 on my system working fine prior to installing SP3, and for A Bit thereafter, but then after a disk cleanup, lo and behold...IE6!
And that's when I stated that nothing should be that dumb as to not recognize it's own system files. Thus why I got rid of it....you really think I want such a dumb 'ServicePack'...LOL :p :rolleyes:

As for Deluded Minds.... who is it that 'only' uses Western Digital??..... :D :D

[coodbe]

I agree with you KDH... we do have great minds...LOL:p ...:sunglasse






Acronis here as well... :) ;) :cool:


I found it.


http://optimum.infospace.com/_1_MJPUJ602W9KMEN__info.cablev/clickit/search?r_aid=CF8D3B854D534F20AC36729D06A4BA70&r_eop=2&r_sacop=4&r_spf=0&r_cop=main-title&r_snpp=3&r_spp=1&qqn=W%40tOyl6o&r_coid=239138&rawto=http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/


I think I will buy an external hard drive just to use this application. What external hard drive comes with a chip that will allow you to put a password on it? Also, I found that it does "Incremental and differential backup". It "captures only the changes made since your last backup". What happens when you delete a file on your source drive (computer)? I assume that the next clone that is done will have that file removed as well.

[GaPony]

Why would you want to password a drive????????? Get a backup program that allows you to password the program or the backup file.

When you clone a drive, or anything else, by definition it makes an exact copy of what is there at that instant... its a little difficult to clone a file that isn't there anymore.... or one that will be there at some future date. Don't you think? :)

[mikeyb]

Not sure if an External HDD can be the clone... never tried it, so not sure, but wondering how you would set the boot order to the external HDD in BIOS to boot off that drive?

[alan1476]

Don't fix it if it isn't broke, Service pack 2 is fine, when Service pack 3 is stable I am sure MS will have download it with their autoupdates.

[4hams]

Don't fix it if it isn't broke, Service pack 2 is fine, when Service pack 3 is stable I am sure MS will have download it with their autoupdates.
Great advice for most computer users alan! :)

[GaPony]

Not sure if an External HDD can be the clone... never tried it, so not sure, but wondering how you would set the boot order to the external HDD in BIOS to boot off that drive?

The system will read the USB bus first... just set the USB drive as the boot device in the BIOS. If you had a bootable thumbdrive plugged it it would boot from it without any setting changes, on most systems.

[GaPony]

Don't fix it if it isn't broke, Service pack 2 is fine, when Service pack 3 is stable I am sure MS will have download it with their autoupdates.

Using the pre-release version is purely voluntary... and as always, Microsoft states it has put it out there for experienced users.

SP3 will not be part of the auto update program... its too big. Just like SP2 it will be available for download... and probably for order on CD.