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      DON'T THROW OUT YOUR OLD "DVD" PLAYER WHEN YOU BUY A NEW "BLU-RAY" PLAYER!

      You'll need it to play your copy of some new DVD movies.

      A new copy protection for DVDs (and Blu-ray) has recently been introduced. This new technology is called "Cinavia". Cinavia only works on some new Blu-ray players (that also play DVDs), including the new PS3. This technology has no effect whatsoever on regular DVD players (non Blu-ray). Here is how it appears to work:

      Watermarks (inaudible sounds) are embedded in the audio track of a movie. These watermarks vary, depending on the type of release. A movie shown in theatres will have a different watermark than a consumer DVD release. Any attempt to play a pirated copy of a movie (taken using a video camera in a cinema) will result in an error message because the watermark will give away the origin of the movie. I think this is great and a long time coming, bravo!. The problem is, it doesn't stop there.

      Some new DVD movies now contain these same audio watermarks. When you make a copy (using 1CLICK or any other software), these audio watermarks are retained (the audio is always copied 1:1 and never altered). Some new Blu-ray players (including PS3's) will check for these watermarks during playback. If the DVD is unprotected (CSS has been removed) yet still contains these watermarks, then it assumes the DVD has been copied. The player will mute the audio at some point during playback and display a message on screen.

      The Blu-ray player does not look for Cinavia on DVDs that are encrypted with CSS. So the simplest solution would be to burn a CSS encrypted DVD. Unfortunately that is impossible because the region of the DVD where the CSS flag is stored is not accessible by a consumer DVD writer. Effectively, this is an elegant and robust protection scheme. The only way to remove these audio watermarks would be to convert the digital audio to analog, somehow filter the watermark (a very complex process requiring knowledge of the algorithm used) and then re-encode the audio. It is extremely unlikely anyone will succeed in this endeavour in the near future (Cinavia was introduced in 2010).

      The only workaround presently is to play the copied movie on a regular DVD player (non Blu-ray) or a Blu-ray player which does not support Cinavia technology. I suggest that you check for the "Cinavia" copy protection sticker on the DVD movie before copying it, so that you can add the copied movie to the collection of movies that must be played on a compatible player.

      At the moment, we know of several DVD titles that have this protection in certain regions:

      Takers, Burlesque, The Tourist, The Roommate, Dylan Dog: Dead Of Night, Zookeeper, Bad Teacher, Project X, Wrath of the Titans, Rock of Ages, The Campaign, Frankenweenie

      These are some of the Blu-ray players that use Cinavia:

      CyberLink : PowerDVD 12 (upd: 1905c or higher)
      Corel : WinDVD 10/11 [NOT ACTIVATED YET]
      Nero : Blu-ray Player (part of Nero 12 Platinum)
      Arcsoft : TotalMedia Theatre 5 (upd: 172 or higher) and 6
      Sony : Playstation 3 (fw: 3.10 or higher)
      Sony : BDP-S185/BDP-S186 (fw: M09.R.0033 or higher) BDP-S390 (fw: M11.R.0147 or higher)
      Sony : BDP-S280/BDP-S480/BDP-S485/BDP-S580/BDP-S780 (fw: M07.R.0615 or higher)
      Sony : BDP-SX1000 (fw: F01.R.0102 or higher)
      Sony : BDP-BX39/BDP-BX59/BDP-S590 (fw: M11.R.0320 or higher)
      Samsung : BD-Dxxxx Series BD-Exxxx Series
      Panasonic : DMP-BDT87/871/771/220/320/321/500 DMP-BBT01
      Philips : BDP2900 (fw: 2.42 or higher) BDP2985 BDP5200/6000 (fw: 1.42 or higher)
      Pioneer : BDP-V6000
      Pioneer : BDP-LX55 (fw: 3.18 or higher)
      Marantz : UD5005 UD7006
      LG : BDP550 (fw: 8.31.283.C)
      LG : BP125,BP200,BP220,BP320,BP325W,BP520,BP620
      Denon : DBP-1611UD (fw: MCU Ver 100/07.04.2011) [NOT CONFIRMED] DBP-2012UDCI
      Oppo : BDP-103,BDP-105
      Sharp : BD-AMS10U/AMS20U
      Toshiba : BDX4300KU/5300KU
      Yamaha :BD-S473/S673 BD-A1020

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      We ought to compile a list of the new player that do and dont use Cinavia. The Bluray Players I have are Gen 1 and do not detect Cinavia, and they are Sonys also.
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      My Sony blue ray player which is some were around a year old hasn`t shown any signs of the cinavia crap. I don`t think I`ll do any updates on it.
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      I'm surprised that this is just now being discussed here. This has long been a subject of discussion in the Blu-Ray copying community.
      My "Little Friends" found out they're illegal and hired a lawyer to claim asylum in the US!

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      How True
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      Yes I had this on 1or2 movies a while back.I was watching them on Sony ps3

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      Quote Originally Posted by GaPony View Post
      I'm surprised that this is just now being discussed here. This has long been a subject of discussion in the Blu-Ray copying community.
      Then why didn't you bring it to our attention boss.
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      I was told about this happening but I haven't had a movie not have audio on my PS3 yet. maybe its because its an Old 40GB Model. but I keep the Firmware Up to date.

      Jimmy told me about this well he didn't name it but he told me that PS3s may not have any audio with some dvds

      I wonder if Microsoft will add the technology. I use my Xbox 360 and PS3 has my DVD player. I use them at random. sometimes I use ps3 other times I use 360. I was just forced to update to a new firmware the other day on xbox 360. you can refuse to download but then you can't play on xbox live anymore

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      Quote Originally Posted by GaPony View Post
      I'm surprised that this is just now being discussed here. This has long been a subject of discussion in the Blu-Ray copying community.
      It's an issue now because they started putting Cinavia on DVDs, not just Blu-ray discs.
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      Quote Originally Posted by alan1476 View Post
      Then why didn't you bring it to our attention boss.
      We discussed about Blu-ray Cinavia a while back, but the thread was gone. I cannot find it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by alan1476 View Post
      Then why didn't you bring it to our attention boss.
      Because its a problem I don't have to worry about. All my movies are on my server and play through devices that don't have problems with Cinavia.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Gregory View Post
      It's an issue now because they started putting Cinavia on DVDs, not just Blu-ray discs.
      Its been on DVDs (ie. Takers) since Jan 2011, but like you've said, just use a DVD player and its not an issue........ until you get your Blu-Ray software released.
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      Has anyone tried a program like the DVD-Ranger?? And would it work in conjunction with 1Click and take out the Cinavia protection??

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      Quote Originally Posted by meowlori View Post
      Has anyone tried a program like the DVD-Ranger?? And would it work in conjunction with 1Click and take out the Cinavia protection??
      Your answer is no, and like Lario said, that's their issue, I am sure their forum can assist you. For me 1ClickDVDPro is doing just fine.
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